Friday, May 10, 2013

TN Plus Two results, JEE etc.

Few random observations.

(1) Karnataka 2nd PUC (same as Plus Two in TN) results were declared on May 6th. Out of 6.11 lakh students who wrote the exam, 59.36% had passed. Oneindia site had the pass percentage in the last few years, some of which look quite shocking: (From

In 2008, the pass percentage was as low as 41.31%. Remained sub 50% right until 2011. In 2012, jumped to 57.03% and now 59.36%. Not knowing the history over the last 25+ years, it does appear that this year record is the best. Still 4 out of every 10 who wrote have failed the exam.

(2) In comparison, in TN, 7.99 lakh students wrote the plus two exam, and the pass ratio is 88.1%

(3) TN's worst performing district Thiruvannamalai has a pass percentage a shade under 70%. Whereas, in Karnataka, Yadgir district pass ratio is around 46%.

Are the exams in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu comparable?Is the evaluation in TN more liberal?

As pointed out by Alex Pandian @AxPn, while we are seeing a spate of suicides in TN, the general feeling seems to be that Karnataka has done well by increasing the pass percentage. No one seems to have committed suicide.


As pointed out by RealityCheckInd on Twitter, a total of 30,000 people have qualified from the south zone in the JEE (Main) test. Of this, though, 20,000 are from Andhra Pradesh and a mere 2,000 from Tamil Nadu.

So in that case, how do we compare the education in these two states?


  1. TN or Karnataka, as part of evaluation (even in cases of Engineering courses), we give importance to how people have memorized rather than seeing how they solve the problem (even questions on problem solving is very less if not nil). Unless this problem is fixed, the quality of the students coming out of schools or colleges will not be great!

    1. I am not currently looking at the quality of the students who pass out of these colleges. I am trying to compare like for like. What is the reason for disparity in Kntka, TN results? Are the differences because of (a) quality of education (b) difficulty level in teaching (c) strictness in evaluation (d) indifference of the students (e) cultural differences in approaching a school leaving/pre-college exam?

      I do not know the answers. I am looking for the answers.

  2. I have spent several years in andhra pradesh and have a bit of experience about its educational system.

    There is no +2 but there exists junior colleges after 10th which are dominated by narayana,chaitanya,bahsyam,chukku ramaaiah across the state with junior colleges in multistorey apartments from 0730am to 0730pm everyday for two years except sundays.
    Andhra has internal reservation for the three regions of telengana,rayalaseema,coastal andhra(ie 85% seats in telengana colleges are reserved for the students in those regions and the remaining to the other two and viceversa in other regions)and hence has not opted out of central pool examinations like all india premedical or central institutions which require state surrendering a specific percentage of seats
    Exams like IITJEE,AFMC,JIPMER where the very few which where open to andhraites and hence there has been a mad rush in preparing for it in the past 20 years.IIT bridegrooms have a high premium and very high dowry and schools/junior colleges send people to home to get students join their ones for 11 and 12.The entire andhra educational scene is akin namakkal schools with special attention towards IIT coaching.
    Kota in rajasthan used to dominate IIT before andhra started emulating the kota model.entry of a large number from kota institutes doesnt make rajasthan a educational leader and the same can be said of andhra.
    TN students moving away from the entrance rat race is a positive development

    1. I don't see how TN students are moving away from rat race. They are part of a different kind of rate race - the marks race. Entrance exam has been eliminated, but cut-off marks remain. This is what describes students committing suicide because they feel they cannot qualify for a medical college.

      Kota, Andhra models are certainly to be decried, but TN students not seriously looking at JEE/Other entrance exams are not good either.

    2. There will be intense competition for the premier institutions but unfortunately every student in andhra attempts for that unlike TN where those think that they can crack JEE alone attempt for it.
      We have to see the number of candidates getting selected and the percentage of tamilians in central institutions like AIIMS,JIPMER,AFMC,NITs,NDA are more than their percentage.Tn has the highest number of medical seats in govt colleges in the country and the choice of most in TN is to study in their homestate.States which have lesser seats in their state prepare hard for central seats.The people who opt for central institutions from TN are those who have an idea for it and it holds the same for doing law in law school in bengaluru or pune.Its not fair to blame a state which has more seats within the state for having lesser aspirants for IITs or premier law schools

  3. It would be interesting (and also revealing) if someone can find out and publish, how many of Tamilnadu +2 syllabus students are entering educational institutions outside Tamilnadu. It is a long list of institutions:
    a) IITs
    b) NIT (other states)
    c) BITS
    d) AIIMS
    e) AFMC
    f) JIPMER
    g) Qualifying in the All India pre-medical pre-dental, for admission to MBBS course in other states

    It would be a huge number of seats, for which Tamilnadu students are not equipped, trained to qualify and join.

    1. I agree with you that in TN, right now, not enough awareness about these institutions of higher learning. I did however read that two corporation school students have qualified in JEE (Mains), which is very heartening. Most top end schools in TN are not aware of these exams and push their students only to get "cut-off" marks. But in reality, with the surfeit of Engineering Colleges in the state, one can easily qualify for one of the colleges on merit list (without having to pay huge bribes) with decent marks. Thus, my suggestion to the good students will be to seriously look at these entrance examinations.

    2. It is indeed very heartening to see that these kids know that these things exist. As a student who went to Govt school and who was told that IIT was out of reach for "state govt" students, this is indeed a new wave of exposure.

  4. badri, it all depends. that is my answer to you. if the purpose of a +2 is to suggest someone has the basic skills to read, write, rithmetic and some computer knowledge, i think, tamil nadu more than satisfies these requirements. in today's world that is india, where an engineering degree is considered a base foundation needed for a job, a high school graduate, just illustrates literacy and nothing more. also, for most jobs, does one really need to pass the JEEE. how many of those are under employed? the challenge may be to inculcate entrepreneurship and initiate a culture of starting enterprises. and not depend on government jobs. the one thing, that your hero narendra modi appears doing very well. gujarat is not worried that may it comes last in JEEE. in the race for development and prosperity it is winning, while A.P. gets bogged in corruption and telengana. n'est pas?

    1. I think we need to see it in two different levels. One, at the basic literacy level. I would want 100% pass at the basic literacy level. To me, that is just 10th standard or SSLC. I do not want anyone to be even failed at that level. (I will elaborate on this shortly.) Then, there is a level for going to the next stage, that is, the eligibility to say go to pre-univ or +2. And there on.

      On Modi and his educational goals, I am not very clear yet. I consider Gujarat as educationally quite backward and it is going to take immense effort on the part of Modi and Gujaratis to pull up their level of educational competency, research capability etc. All the development at one level will mean the need for more and more engineers and other skilled workers, and Gujarat may be short on that. Which would mean outsiders will have to man their factories. This will not be good in the end, and at a later time, there could be a backlash.

      Andhra being corrupt (Tamil Nadu is no less corrupt), cannot be surely linked to JEE results, right? Andhra has seen a breakdown of general purpose of growth and stability over the last decade. They do not seem to have clean leaders. I am worried about TN too.

      I am looking forward to a Modi like leader emerging in TN (and Andhra).

  5. Mr Badri

    I am associated with rural Govt. school students. I feel our results are reverse engineered based on the total percentage of pass to be declared. If you check the mark sheet of most of the rural students you can see minimum in two subjects they would have scored just 70 marks. Apart from this high pass percentage due to internal marks for languages(Tamil and English). In tamil nadu question paper pattern helps students, like MCQ and filling the blank for 40 marks, also you will get full marks in 4 and 8 marks questions if you answer key words.

  6. my sister wrote exam well she told she will come 1st. but i have office on may 9 and i cant use internet is there any other way to get tamilnadu plus two result 2014